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I am trying to get ieee80211 compiled as a module on an svn #5270 without success. I am also missing the kmod-net-airo and kmod-hostap-pci.  any hints would be much appreciated.

Can you give me some more information, please?

This is the .config file on the trunk directory:

CONFIG_HAVE_DOT_CONFIG=y
CONFIG_LINUX_2_6_BRCM=y
CONFIG_LINUX_2_6=y
CONFIG_PCI_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_USB_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_ATM_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_USES_SQUASHFS=y
CONFIG_USES_JFFS2=y
CONFIG_mipsel=y
CONFIG_ARCH="mipsel"
CONFIG_AUTOREBUILD=y
CONFIG_JLEVEL=1
CONFIG_BINUTILS_VERSION="2.16.1"
CONFIG_EXTRA_GCC_CONFIG_OPTIONS=""
CONFIG_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y
CONFIG_LARGEFILE=y
CONFIG_TARGET_OPTIMIZATION="-Os -pipe -mips32 -mtune=mips32 -funit-at-a-time"
CONFIG_GCC_VERSION="3.4.6"
CONFIG_TARGET_ROOTFS_JFFS2=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_base-files=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_busybox=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_HAVE_DOT_CONFIG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SHOW_USAGE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VERBOSE_USAGE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_GETOPT_LONG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_DEVPTS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_SUID=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_BUSYBOX_EXEC_PATH="/proc/self/exe"
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LFS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_USING_CROSS_COMPILER=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CROSS_COMPILER_PREFIX="mipsel-uclibc-"
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_DEBUG_YANK_SUSv2=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_INSTALL_APPLET_SYMLINKS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_PREFIX="./_install"
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MD5_SIZE_VS_SPEED=2
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_BUNZIP2=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_GUNZIP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_GUNZIP_UNCOMPRESS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_GZIP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_IPKG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TAR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_CREATE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_BZIP2=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_FROM=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_GZIP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_GNU_EXTENSIONS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_BASENAME=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CAT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CHGRP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CHMOD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CHOWN=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CHROOT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CUT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_DATE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_DATE_ISOFMT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_DD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_DD_SIGNAL_HANDLING=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_DF=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_DIRNAME=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_DU=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_DU_DEFAULT_BLOCKSIZE_1K=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ECHO=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FANCY_ECHO=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ENV=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_EXPR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FALSE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_HEAD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FANCY_HEAD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_HOSTID=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ID=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LENGTH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LN=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_FILETYPES=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_FOLLOWLINKS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_RECURSIVE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_SORTFILES=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_TIMESTAMPS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_USERNAME=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_COLOR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_LS_COLOR_IS_DEFAULT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MD5SUM=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MKDIR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MKFIFO=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MKNOD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MV=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PRINTF=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PWD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_RM=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_RMDIR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SEQ=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SLEEP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FANCY_SLEEP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SORT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SYNC=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TAIL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FANCY_TAIL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TEE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TEE_USE_BLOCK_IO=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TEST=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TOUCH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TRUE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_UNAME=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_UNIQ=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_WC=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_YES=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_PRESERVE_HARDLINKS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_AUTOWIDTH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HUMAN_READABLE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_MD5_SHA1_SUM_CHECK=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CLEAR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_RESET=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MKTEMP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_WHICH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_AWK=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_AWK_MATH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SED=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_VI=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_COLON=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_YANKMARK=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_SEARCH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_USE_SIGNALS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_DOT_CMD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_READONLY=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_SETOPTS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_SET=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_WIN_RESIZE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_VI_OPTIMIZE_CURSOR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FIND=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_PRINT0=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_PERM=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_TYPE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_XDEV=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FIND_EXEC=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_GREP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_GREP_EGREP_ALIAS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_GREP_FGREP_ALIAS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_GREP_CONTEXT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_XARGS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_XARGS_SUPPORT_CONFIRMATION=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_XARGS_SUPPORT_QUOTES=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_XARGS_SUPPORT_TERMOPT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_XARGS_SUPPORT_ZERO_TERM=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_INIT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_USE_INITTAB=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_HALT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MESG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PASSWD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_INSMOD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_RMMOD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LSMOD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_CHECK_TAINTED_MODULE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_2_4_MODULES=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_2_6_MODULES=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_DMESG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_FDISK_SUPPORT_LARGE_DISKS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_HEXDUMP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_MOUNT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_MOUNT_NFS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PIVOT_ROOT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_RDATE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SWITCH_ROOT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_UMOUNT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_UMOUNT_ALL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_MOUNT_LOOP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CROND=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_CRONTAB=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_DEVFS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LESS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LOCK=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_STRINGS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TIME=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_IPV6=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ARPING=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_HTTPD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HTTPD_WITHOUT_INETD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HTTPD_BASIC_AUTH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HTTPD_AUTH_MD5=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HTTPD_CONFIG_WITH_MIME_TYPES=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HTTPD_CGI=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HTTPD_SET_REMOTE_PORT_TO_ENV=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_HTTPD_ENCODE_URL_STR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_IFCONFIG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_IFCONFIG_STATUS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_IFCONFIG_HW=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_IFCONFIG_BROADCAST_PLUS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_NC=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_NETMSG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_NETSTAT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_NSLOOKUP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PING=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FANCY_PING=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PING6=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_FANCY_PING6=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ROUTE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TELNET=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TELNET_TTYPE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TELNETD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TRACEROUTE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TRACEROUTE_VERBOSE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_APP_UDHCPC=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_VCONFIG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_WGET=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_WGET_STATUSBAR=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_WGET_AUTHENTICATION=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_WGET_IP6_LITERAL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_WGET_LONG_OPTIONS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FREE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_KILL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_KILLALL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_KILLALL5=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PIDOF=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_PS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_BB_SYSCTL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_TOP=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_TOP_CPU_USAGE_PERCENTAGE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_UPTIME=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_SH_IS_ASH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_JOB_CONTROL=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_READ_TIMEOUT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_ALIAS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_MATH_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_GETOPTS=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_BUILTIN_ECHO=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_BUILTIN_TEST=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_CMDCMD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_ASH_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_COMMAND_EDITING=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_COMMAND_HISTORY=15
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_COMMAND_TAB_COMPLETION=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_SH_FANCY_PROMPT=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_SYSLOGD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_ROTATE_LOGFILE=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_REMOTE_LOG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_IPC_SYSLOG=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_FEATURE_IPC_SYSLOG_BUFFER_SIZE=16
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LOGREAD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_KLOGD=y
CONFIG_BUSYBOX_CONFIG_LOGGER=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_dropbear=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_iptables=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_libgcc=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_mtd=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_uclibc=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_wireless-tools=y
CONFIG_PACKAGE_libopenssl=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_zlib=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_hostapd=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_hostapd-mini=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_hostapd-utils=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_ip=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_ipset=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-arptables=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ebtables=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-conntrack=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-extra=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-filter=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-imq=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-ipopt=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-ipsec=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-nat=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-nathelper=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-queue=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipt-ulog=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-gre=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ipip=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-sched=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-tun=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-crypto=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-loop=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-nbd=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-pcmcia-core=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-ieee80211=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-net-airo=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-net-bcm43xx=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-net-ipw2200=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_hostap-utils=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-hostap=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-hostap-pci=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-madwifi=m
CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-switch=m

and this is the contents of the directory of the bin/packages:

base-files-brcm-2.6_8-5270_mipsel.ipk
busybox_1.2.1-1_mipsel.ipk
dropbear_0.48.1-1_mipsel.ipk
hostapd_0.5.3-1_mipsel.ipk
hostapd-mini_0.5.3-1_mipsel.ipk
hostapd-utils_0.5.3-1_mipsel.ipk
hostap-utils_0.4.7-1_mipsel.ipk
ip_2.6.15-060110-1_mipsel.ipk
ipset_2.2.3-1_mipsel.ipk
iptables_1.3.5-1_mipsel.ipk
kernel_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-crypto_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ebtables_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-gre_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-conntrack_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-extra_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-filter_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-imq_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-ipopt_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-ipsec_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-nathelper_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-queue_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-ipt-ulog_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-loop_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-madwifi_2.6.17+r1758-20061023-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-nbd_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-net-ipw2200_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-pcmcia-core_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-sched_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-switch_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
kmod-tun_2.6.17-brcm-1_mipsel.ipk
libgcc_3.4.6-8_mipsel.ipk
libopenssl_0.9.8d-1_mipsel.ipk
mtd_4_mipsel.ipk
Packages
uclibc_0.9.28-8_mipsel.ipk
wireless-tools_28-1_mipsel.ipk
zlib_1.2.3-3_mipsel.ipk

the modules exist:

saloon trunk # find build_mipsel/linux/ -name ieee80211.ko
build_mipsel/linux/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko
saloon trunk # find build_mipsel/linux/ -name hostap.ko
build_mipsel/linux/drivers/net/wireless/hostap/hostap.ko

but the relative packages are missing.

(Last edited by acoul on 23 Oct 2006, 23:46)

ieee80211 package is available here

Could you build bcm43xx too? You did specify "CONFIG_PACKAGE_kmod-net-bcm43xx=m".
Doesn't work for me :-(

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